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I'll accept that argument as reasonable. But the idea of killing for fun or sport makes me sick. And this isn't an anti-American jibe in case you're wondering... hunting goes on in the UK too and it disgusts me.

I can see the argument in killing for fun being questionable but, most of the hunters I know kill for game. They eat it. Same goes for fisherman.

To me it does. .
To you? So then you basically have admitted that it's not about saving lives but, just pushing a socialist agenda that, "to you," everyone else should live under. Again, that is basically someone forcing his beliefs on others and what a truly free society is against.

It's the difference between accident and murder. The number of homicides committed by bayonet or car or fountain pen is a fraction compared to those committed by guns..
I'm talking about all killings. Car accidents, kids drowning in swimming pools, kids choking on toys. If you are truly for saving lives you don't pick and chose who lives and dies. You help whomever whenever you can. Those who pick and chose generally have their own agenda and don't care as much as they'd like people to think.

You are the one who cares more about your individual rights than anyone else's right not to get shot. You like guns therefore you justify this by unreasonable comparisons. Where do you draw the line? Land mines in the back garden? A missile launcher on top of your roof? I've already said that non-kitchenware knives should be banned. I'm not inconsistant. .
Where do you draw the line? You sound like one of those lawyers who searches around for criminals who rape and murder. When you see one who's got a defensive scar on his face from his last victim you say, "Hey, you ought to sue that lady you tried to rape for scratching you! She should have just let you do what you wanted because you have the right not to get scratched!" Lol! Do you advocate that there should be no more right to free speech because others have a "right not to hear something they don't like?" Do you advocate that no one have the right to eat anymore because it violates everyone elses "right not to smell someone elses fart?"

You see, what you don't seem to understand is that you can't curtail someone elses rights because of what they MIGHT do. YES, YOU HAVE A RIGHT NOT TO GET SHOT BUT, UNLESS YOU CAN SEE THE FUTURE AND PROVE I'M GOING TO SHOOT YOU TOMORROW, YOU CAN'T TAKE MY RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE OF WHAT I MIGHT DO. YOU MAY DECIDE TO MURDER SOMEONE TOMORROW BUT, UNTIL THAT HAPPENS I CAN'T USE THAT AS AN EXCUSE TO TOSS YOU IN JAIL OR EXECUTE YOU JUST BECAUSE YOU MIGHT DO IT TOMORROW. YOU HAVE A RIGHT NOT TO GET SHOT...BUT, UNTIL YOU GET SHOT DON'T TRY TO USE THAT AS AN EXCUSE TO TAKE RIGHTS FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT CRIMINALS AND MINDING THEIR OWN BUSINESS. Fair enough?

That's definately not me. I've been criticized for being too harsh on criminals and anti-social behaviour. I believe in hard justice and have been accused of being right wing because of it. Obviously I have nothing on you. You see everything as a socialist comspiracy. Right wing paranoia perhaps?
It's not paranoia when they're actually out to get ya. ;)

I think we should stop pretty soon. Neither of us is going to budge and maybe some other posters would like to offer their thoughts.
And that's your issue...I'm not overly concerned with convincing you. I learned a long time ago that once many people get to a certain critical point they are set in their ways no matter what you present to them. I'm just having fun-especially since posters like Amazing psycho and Ironfistedmonk jumped into the fray.

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I don't even believe this thread 15 para quotes with follow up comments and then 11 para quotes with follow ups it's making my feel really UNFUNKY up in here. Just have a coke and a smile and shut up already golly.....

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Hey I'm having a blast over here! :D

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No. He wouldn't be. There are people out there who have had these very things happen to them by people of there own race. But, they wouldn't group there own race into one category.

Some maybe but, it's human nature to be gunshy in general.

Never said she didn't answer, I said she bumble the question because didn't have an answer, didn't want to say no, and could only come up with the I can see Russia line. I watched the interview in its entirety, she wasn't asked a stupid question, but yet came up with a stupid answer.
If one doesn't know much about Alaska and its unique place in world affairs then it was a dumb answer. If one is familiar with Alaska and understands the implications of her statement then it's not dumb. Palin's problem was that she didn't dumb down her explanation for the lowest common denominator so the media took it, twisted it around and used it against her.

First, I agree that being govenor of Alaska is a good way of saying I have some experience, but she has not dealt with any real pissues during her one term. Second, there is no such thing as a legit lobby group, not even the NRA, they are all out for themselve, therfore corrupt. Third, the constitution has been changed several times. We're talking Guns, they changed that, maybe not 100% but they changed it so the guns can't be loaded. Amend means to change.
But, being governor of Alsaka is still more experience than being an Illinois senator. I don't what you mean about "Guns can't be loaded."

NO, the stats were reffering to the gun owner, not a gun that was purchased and in the house during a crime, in court a legal gun that wasn't used in a crime just sitting there wouldn't be brought up anyway..
I was talking about how stats are used. If you committed a crime that had nothing to do with a gun you legally owned but, it just happened to be in the proximity when you got nailed, then according to the way "they" do stats, it was a gun used in a crime.

Check the numbers, only 10-15% of gun crimes are using stolen guns.

No. Peri is not asking to be spoon fed, he is saying that he is not seeing any proof from you. I live in America, so I don't need to understand where you come from, I hear it almost everyday. I just don't agree, and I don't think i'm socialist in thinking, not everyone who disagrees with you is.

I was just talking about how he seems to be in general but, of course he's not seen any proof from me. I haven't spoon fed it to him. If I decided to hand him a good book I have he's not here to grab it. No matter what I say he's one of those types to say, "That's not proof! That 1000 page Italian report you cited was written during the Bush administrations so it must be crap!" :D

I don't know what your saying with this, but in this country I love so much, our government is dirty. Jing pointed out the Tuskegee expirement as one example, it is not to be disputed because it happened. The deaths of JFK, MLK, Malcolm X, Lincoln, and many more; these are just the biggest names i'm sure everyone is familiar with. I brought up Katrina and it's similarities to Hurricane Pam a year before. The US government ii and has been involved in some underhanded shit. Far from innocent, a lot of this stuff is documented, not even hidden

I agree that the government suppresses a lot of information, they allow doctors to prescribe drugs to patients that will negate one another. Allow these same drug companys to again sale the most expensive drug to a patient who believes its the cheapest on the market. There are books I could mention, but we don't need books for this....

Be careful...people are likely to start talking about the "little green men" you "obviously got this stuff from. Lol!;)

Yes. It happens all the time, people trust the police. There are two cops in a neihboring town here in Delaware serving time for using there badges to break into young single womens houses and raping them. The State police and FBI recently arrested a few more cops who were soliciting sex from underage girls, and when I say underage I MEAN underage. I'm talking 16 and under, I believe the youngest was 14..
People only believe what they see on TV. If they don't experience it in their world then it "can't happen." People are naive. The situation you mentioned above is a lot more common than people know...and the very reason why we have a right to keep and bear arms...

Even though violent crime is equal across the board, gun crime is higher among Blacks here in America, but there is reason that is true. But, we also need to know the reason. Same as we need to know the reason why malt liquor is only sold in black neighborhoods here in America
There you go again Brave...talking to little green men! ;) Lol!

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I voted 4 Obama.Originally I voted 4 clinton, when she lost I pretty much felt like I had 2 vote 4 Obama.I hope 4 all our sakes we, (Obama voters) made the right choice.

About the subject of God.Yes I am a Christian though currently not affiliated with any denomination.Believing in God is just a matter of faith.No different than having "faith" when you drive that the other person in the opposite lane is going to stay in their lane and not crash in to you.Or that the average human being you have contact with isnt going to snap and shoot everyone in eyesight.People who dont believe in God usually dont because of lack of scientific proof.I know many people who have had miraculous things happen i.e. medically in their lives and the doctors were at a loss how to explain this, rationally/scientifically.Have you ever driven by a place regularly and a house just appeared there one day?No it had to have an intelligent creator the same with our planet and the same with mankind.I dont think we evolved from apes or fish because if we did why wouldnt they still be evolving?Im not discounting the big bang theory but how do you know God didnt cause it?

I have always believed,but no more strongly than after my first born son turned 3,he was diagnosed with stge 3 neuroblastoma(a cancer specifically 4 children)stage 4 being the worse and was given a 40% chance of recovery.We had alot of people praying 4 him and now he will be 13 in January.Some people could say it was the chemo, radiation and bone marrow transplant that did it, but there were other children in the same predicament and sadly didnt live.Didnt mean to go off on a tangent, while I really dont agree with organized religion, I know there is a God.And if you dont believe I guess in the end we will find out one way or the other.

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You sound like one of those lawyers who searches around for criminals who rape and murder. When you see one who's got a defensive scar on his face from his last victim you say, "Hey, you ought to sue that lady you tried to rape for scratching you! She should have just let you do what you wanted because you have the right not to get scratched!"

And that's your issue...I'm not overly concerned with convincing you. I learned a long time ago that once many people get to a certain critical point they are set in their ways no matter what you present to them.

You are obtuse and have no class. I've nothing more to say to you on the matter.

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