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.....AND OBAMA WON..............

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About 'God'. No it's not 'his' fault. 'He' doesnt exist. 'He' is made up. 'God' isnt real. Just THINK about it. Logically, with reason, rationally, with the brain 'God' gave you, and supposedly wants you to use.

uhh....okay...:l

Look if we wanted to create a religion thread or something we can do that otherwise there isn't much point in this angry rant against God. All it does is make me angry and i am doing my best to bite my tongue on your "rational" arguments!XD

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Yankee politics does not concern me rats ass but it`s good obama won.Better (relatively) young get high position instead of some who has been around almost from birth of dinosaurs.at 72,mccain can even die any second natural death

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uhh....okay...:l

Look if we wanted to create a religion thread or something we can do that otherwise there isn't much point in this angry rant against God. All it does is make me angry and i am doing my best to bite my tongue on your "rational" arguments!XD

Sadly, it's kinda hard to AVOID talking religion when it's so important (sadly) in (US) politics. It affects not only the way people vote, or how politicians govern, but it affects basic values, like equality (gay-marriage), abortion, etc.

Trust me, I would certainly want to avoid the whole discussion about religion as well, as I feel religion should be something personal and private. However, when we are talking about Sarah Palin and conservative right-wing nutters, it's kind of hard to ignore the big huge pink elephant in the room.

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Sadly, it's kinda hard to AVOID talking religion when it's so important (sadly) in (US) politics. It affects not only the way people vote, or how politicians govern, but it affects basic values, like equality (gay-marriage), abortion, etc.

Trust me, I would certainly want to avoid the whole discussion about religion as well, as I feel religion should be something personal and private. However, when we are talking about Sarah Palin and conservative right-wing nutters, it's kind of hard to ignore the big huge pink elephant in the room.

gotcha. But for the record, I'm a believer AND i voted Democrat this election! I'm sure this isn't a surprise, but i'm all about breaking down generalizations, i.e. Christians always blindly vote Republican.

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gotcha. But for the record, I'm a believer AND i voted Democrat this election! I'm sure this isn't a surprise, but i'm all about breaking down generalizations, i.e. Christians always blindly vote Republican.

Ow, I'm not saying every religious person is also a republican. Far from it. I have religious people in my own family, but they dont let that religion blur their morals and values etc. I think MANY religious people just use their religion as some sort of guideline to just be good people, and lead good lives. Nothing wrong with that. However, there is obviously a conservative minority who get upset by everything that isnt 'christian', that opposes their so-called christian values, etc etc. I dont agree with that (obviously).

Hey, if believing in a God helps make you a better person, there's nothing wrong with that. It's only when that (blind) faith keeps you from thinking rationally and fairly, that it becomes a problem. It's when you ABUSE that religion, that it becomes a problem.

Obviously, I would rather see religion take a backseat when we judge people. We should judge people on their words, their actions, their behaviour, their values, etc. Not on the God they happen to worship or not. When a guy like George Bush says he's on a mission from God, that he's a good person because he's a 'new-born' christian and all that jazz... too many people BELIEVE that. 'Ow... he's a christian now so he cant be bad'. Well... he was and he is. He's a lying criminal who's responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths. He should be held accountable. Why isnt he!? Are the deaths that HE is responsible for less important than the ones Osama Bin Laden cost, simply because his victims were nameless muslims on the other side of the world!?

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God might exist. That's all I'm saying.

Ow, I agree. He MIGHT exist. I'm not denying the possibility of there being a God. Problem is, we just dont know. Nobody knows. Even the guy in the church with the big dress on who says he KNOWS, he's lying, cause he doesnt know. He cant know.

... and odds are, very very strongly, that there is no God. Maybe we're all part of some intergalactic videogame. :P We just dont know. But making up that we do know, and making up that there surely must be a God, and telling our children that... that isnt right.

Yeah there are a lot of questions about our world, our universe, our existence that we dont know. Yeah it's easier to just answer:' Ooooh it must be the work of God(s)', but TBH I would rather just say "we don't know, and maybe, very maybe, we might one day find out about all the questions we still have... but at the moment, we just dont know."

I also 'like' how religious people always claim the right to say 'GOD EXISTS!!!', yet get offended when someone claims his/her right to say :' No he doesnt!'.

Obviously, I'm not talking about ALL religious people here... but too many, that's for sure.

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Excellent posts Yi-Long.... I agree with every word you said!

And just to be clear, Im agnostic, which means that I don't know, and don't really care. As opposed to atheist, who usually have an agenda against religion.

Personally I think all religion is bull... but im not gonna go out of my way to harass people who believe. I think they are wrong, they think I am wrong, but none of us really knows!

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Hey, if believing in a God helps make you a better person, there's nothing wrong with that. It's only when that (blind) faith keeps you from thinking rationally and fairly, that it becomes a problem. It's when you ABUSE that religion, that it becomes a problem.

We are definately on the same page here! I hate any belief that is blind.

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Excellent posts Yi-Long.... I agree with every word you said!

And just to be clear, Im agnostic, which means that I don't know, and don't really care. As opposed to atheist, who usually have an agenda against religion.

Personally I think all religion is bull... but im not gonna go out of my way to harass people who believe. I think they are wrong, they think I am wrong, but none of us really knows!

Atheist, agnostic... mehhh...

I dont believe there is a God, but I dont rule out the possibility of there being one. Not sure what that is technically called. I'd prefer the term 'sane' :P .

(I kid I kid...)

I also dont go around harassing people about it, like running into a church shouting they're all idiots or something :quiet:

But in topics like this, or just whenever the issue comes up, at times you just give your opinion :)

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Agostic means you dont know if there is a god, atheist means you dont believe in one. They are measures of knowledge and belief. You can believe in god and still be an agnostic because you dont know.

Sorry if that off on a tangent but thats what each word means.

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Aw ic ic :) thanks Inframan :)

I never bothered much with the 'termonology' of what's what.

I dont believe there is a God, but obviously I dont KNOW. No-one knows, and everyone who says he does know, is lying :) I guess I'm both.

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I think we have to give Barrack Obama a chance, he has yet to prove himself yet but there is hopeful anticipation. If he proves to be a good President he will get all my praises for it, if he screws things up he will get my criticissims just like Bush got from everybody. Weather you don't believe in God or don't know, it's called lack of faith(as in you lack the faith that God exists). That's everyone's choice on what they want to believe or not and I would never try to force my beliefs on someone else. I respect you non-believers or skeptics rights or views on the issue of God, but please try to return the favor and have some respect for us who have faith in God and please do not make fun or a mockery out of religion such as stating it's a fairytale and stating that's a fact because you do not know for certain anymore than I do. There are all kind of religions in the world and none of those followers would appreciate people making fun of or ridiculing them and saying what they believe in is crap. I look at it this way, if God doesn't exist I have nothing to lose when I die for believing in him, if I'm right my reward will be Heaven and not burning in Hell. Sure there are people that misuse religions for their own personal gain or cults with a bunch of nuts that brainwash people, that is why I don't put my faith in man but in God. I'm a simple man that tries to treat everyone with respect and kindness, regardless of what my faith or personal beliefs are and I hope other people would as well. I guess what it comes down to is i'd rather believe in something than nothing.:S I would add that just because someone believes in God does not make them perfect or better than anyone else either, far from it.

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Yes. It would be a tragedy if you had to live without a gun.

I'm sure if HK cinema ever gets banned because of its violence, there will be some bloke also saying, "It would be a tragedy if you had to live without HK Cinema." ;>)

Only in America could healthcare and gun control be considered "socialist".

Only in America is there a US Constitution

Only in America did US troops sign up to go and fight facist agression in places like Europe (thus saving the British Isles :>)

Only in Britain, was there a shortage of small arms at the beginning of WWII.

Only in America do Canadians stream south to get access to American healthcare.

Yes...only in America...Lol!

Yeah, it's unfair to blame the big guy when he didn't even show up. Not once.

Other than her being a dim-witted moose-hunting psycho?

Hmmm..."dim witted moose hunting psycho." Sounds like what the biased liberal democratic (i.e. socialist) American "mainstream" press says about every conservative candidate that comes along. Well, I'm glad that I'm one of the people who can see through it...I try to think for myself.

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People didnt vote for Obama BECAUSE he's a minority: People voted for Obama DESPITE him being a minority candidate, because he's by far the best candidate that was running. You could already tell in the early EARLY debates that this guy has the brains to do well. Obviously, he can't do it alone, which is why he's picking an experienced staff, and hopefully they will deal with the problems ahead accordingly. Gawd knows the old experienced white guys of the old administration failed miserably on each and every subject, so he cant do much worse, can he!?.

Ummm...reality check...black people voted for Obama mainly because he's black-End of story. As far as being the best candidate running I think you may want to stop and think about it. Best in which way? Best in experience? No. Actually Obama was the least experienced out of all 4 candidates. Even Palin had more experience than he. Best Policies? The only thing one can go on in terms of Obama's policies is his sparse time in the Senate and on state level. He's already voted to raise taxes on people making about 40K per year despite his campaign claims of wanting to do so for people making above 250K. His voting record has been the most socialist in history. Right now it looks like he might be a lot more liberal than Carter or Clinton. Yes, he has the brains but, the problem with that statement is the assumption that he's going to be the one making the decisions. Don't be naive...The previous administration failed but, what administration has really succeeded? Clinton's administration signed the NAFTA bill which sent a lot of the jobs overseas that Bush is being blamed for now-as well as failed to deliver on the health care he promised. The first Bush raised taxes after promising he wouldn't. Carter left one of the worst economies in history for his successor. We can do a lot worse...ask anyone who lived through the great depression.

BTW, if Obama wouldnt have been a minority, but a white guy, this election would have already been in the bag months ago. Smart young charismatic white guy vs dummy old white guy: yeah... that will be a hard choice(!)People are all treating Obama like he's in the special olympics or something, cause he's black. SO!? He's plainly the best candidate on the ticket. Hell, he's probably one of the very best presidential candidates EVER, when you look at how he's connecting and inspiring people, and he has shown himself pretty smart. People around the world aren't happy 'cause he's a black president'. People are happy cause you now seem to have elected a smart, decent, reasonably president who won't be bombing their houses without very good reason. People are happy cause it seems very clearly that Obama was just the right choice to make..

Let me give you a bit of wisom here..."connecting and inspiring" people has little to do with being the best candidate. People said similar things about Clinton only to be so disappointed with him by the time he left office that they voted for Bush. Hillary said herself that leading is a lot more than making an inspiring speech. You have to have substance...and how has Obama shown that he's any smarter than anyone else? Every 4 years the biased liberal democrat press uses the same old smear tactics-The conservative candidates are all dumb and stupid...the press wait around like buzzards for people like Bush or Dan Quayle to make the most innocuous of typeos or mistakes and then use it as "proof" of "stupidity." Qualye spells 'potato' with an 'e' and he's made out to be a dunce...on the other side of the coin Obama can say there are 57 states and nothing is said. Obama can tell a guy in a wheel chair to stand up and it gets covered up. The press has so many people buffaloed and bamboozled over this guy it's pathetic. They did the same with Clinton. So far Obama has only shown that he makes a great speech. It's easy to look good when you have 90% of the press lying for you and slanting every news story in your favor. Wait and see what Obama does before you believe all the hype....

About the weapon-law: Why not just register/limit bullets/ammo!? Sure, you can have your shotgun: bullets? We'll be registering those and if they end up in someone's property or body, you're going to jail and your weapon-privileges get evoked. I'm sure there are now ways to 'mark' certain ammo, arent there?.

It sounds like you've been listening to the gun control dweebs who know nothing about guns but, a lot about how to lie and sound ridiculous. First of all-to answer your question-shotguns don't use "bullets." Most shotguns use a bunch of tiny metal balls call "shot" in shotgun shells. Weapons in general don't use bullets, they use cartridges. There are probably BILLIONS of rounds of ammunition for weapons. How are you going to register all of that? How? Do you know the bureaucratic/red tape nightmare that would be? Do you realize how much that would cost in tax dollars? This is the kind of fairly-tale fantasy socialist/gun control fanatics are known for. Even if you were able to pull something like this off practically, once a bullet enters a body or hits a target it is usually deformed/destroyed. How are you going to look at that bullet and get the registration info off of it? Why don't we register every gallon of gas you buy and if your car gets used in a bank robbery or drunk driving your driving priviledges get revoked? Lol.*

Finally, when you find the part of the constitution that says you can do this kind of registration...get back with me. Lol.

Oh...BTW...There are no weapon "priviledges." The 2nd amendment says it's a RIGHT. Read up on it...

About 'God'. No it's not 'his' fault. 'He' doesnt exist. 'He' is made up. 'God' isnt real. Just THINK about it. Logically, with reason, rationally, with the brain 'God' gave you, and supposedly wants you to use. Now, when we're talking about RELIGION, there isn little wrong with it (unless you take it all too literally). Religion is meant as a guideline to be a good person. You can take the lessons learned in your holy book, and get from that what you want. And you're right, often religious is ABUSED by some for their own agenda. Not just terrorists btw.

Scientific evidence has shown that many things exist. People have recorded readings from "ghosts." You sound like those people who say Qi doesn't exist, and that is a fitting comparison for a site concerned with martial arts. I'm not saying 'God' exists in the exact form that some religions describe...I'm just saying there is a higher intelligence...and I call this intelligence God. I use reason...which is why I know how ridiculous it would be to even try to register ammo for guns...

Palin was a hockeymom. Nothing wrong with hockeymoms, but Palin just isnt fit to be president. Apart from the fact she's a bit nutty, and the fact that she's a bit of an idiot, she just doesnt seem like this would be a good leader for the free world. Likeability doesnt mean you make a good president; you gotta have some brains, dignity, rationale, as well. McCain made a huge mistake by picking her, just so he can get the conservative religious right vote, and maybe pick up some women-voters because Hillary was now out. What he should have done was pick a young, smart charismatic guy, as competition against Barack Obama. I'm glad he didnt.

Everything you said about Palin sounds just like it came right out of the liberal/socialist biased "news" media/brainwashing machine. How is she an idiot? Have you seen her IQ scores, or did you just get that off of NBC "news?" How is she nutty? Is it because she's an avid hunter...or is it because NBC made it look cool to be in on the bash Palin bandwagon? Unfortunately, people tend to vote fads now...sorta like highschool kids voting for their friends at school...they vote for the most popular ones...the "cool ones." Yes, Bush screwed a lot up but, at some point-largely fueled by a biased media-it became a fad to be anti-Bush. People who were never involved with politics before jumped on the anti-Bush bandwagon just because it was "cool." They did so just to fit in. This eventually spilled over onto McCain. Likewise a lot of people voted for Obama just because it was the in thing...a fad. Many young whites voted for Obama because it was "cool" and to "prove" (to themselves?) they weren't racist. The socialist media smeared Palin because they feared her...she was an example of how to turn the socialists' own game back around on them...Palin's not an idiot...or a nut...she's just not a liberal/socialist and so she had to get smeared. Not, everyone believes the hype you see...many people can see throught the socialist media manipulation...yes, like the old PSAs used to say...there's a smart way to watch TV (or read the paper).

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Only in America do Canadians stream south to get access to American healthcare.

WTF? Are you high on something! We may not have the best healthcare, but at least we have it for "free". Yes, we have some evil socialist policies up north. Why the fuck would I go south to pay 20 000$ when I can stay here for free! Ever heard of american cheating their way to get treated for free up here! Do some research. Look how low your country is ranked in health care... Health care is a buisiness in the states, and a buisiness exists only to make money. Damn, if I fell sick or had an accident in the USA, I'd pay a private plane to come back and be treated home.

You are the one who is brainwashed... You have been thought chauvinism, thought that socialism is the worst regime under wich to live when in fact, you don't even know what it is. You live in a little ivory tour, you think that everything emerging from your country is great, that everything your country do is for the good of liberty and democracy. That is brainwashing...

Yes it is cool to hate Bush or Palin and it is well diserved. She's bright? she doesn't know shit about anything in the rest of the world, except that Russia is not far from Alaska. The only reason she was picked is because McCain was not extreme enough so they brought her to appeal to the right wing rednecks. But it doesn't matter because they're f'n puppets. Stop shining your gun and wake the fuck up.

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First of all I apologize for the long post.

I wish Obama good luck in doing anything in terms of foreign policy. It seems although he is new, we will see the old Clinton power structure and that doesn't bode well. Hopefully, he is a moderate as my biggest concern is that Fairness Doctrine crap.

Also, to me, this election was a perfect example of Jacque Ellul's theories on mass society and propaganda. In his book Propaganda, Ellul found that propaganda is most typical of democratic, not totalitarian, regimes, because it depends crucially on two seemingly contradictory conditions, both of which democracy encourages: extreme individualism and membership in what he termed “mass society.”

Then Ellul proposed that modern individualism, came about through the disintegration of such small groups as the family or the church. Once these groups lost their importance, the individual was left substantially isolated and began to judge everything for himself. His/her own life becomes the only criterion of justice and injustice, of good and evil. These individuals, unprotected by insulating ties of family and community, become part of an undifferentiated, collective whole, and can only find direction by propagandistic appeals to the herd mentality of the mass. Then, the masses go towards anyone and anything, that is spewing out a never-ending barrage of propaganda, that they believe or feel they have a common cause with. I would also recommend another one of his books, The Technological Society.

And as the ancient Greeks, creators of democracy, knew.......

"The multitude, of course, perceive practically nothing, but merely echo this or that pronouncement of their leaders - Plato (Protogaras. 317 - A)

"The mass of men show themselves utterly slavish in their preference for the life of brute beasts, [and] their views receive consideration because most of those in high places have [themselves] the tastes of Sardanapallus" -Aristotle (Nichomachean Ethics I. V.3)

The cause of all these evils was the desire to rule which greed and ambition inspire, and also, springing from them, that ardor which belongs to men who once have become engaged in factious rivalry. For those who emerged as party leaders in the several cities, by assuming on both sides a fair-sounding name: the one using as its catch-word "political equality for the masses under the law," the other "temperate aristocracy," while they pretended to be devoted to the common weal, in reality made it their prize; striving in every way to get the better of each other they dared the most awful deeds. - Thucydides (History of the Peloponnesian War 3. 82. 8.

I dislike the using the terms "liberal" and "conservative" for today's parties. In the classical meaning, liberal meant "against the king and aristocracy" and conservative meant the opposite. A lot of people seem conservative today by supporting the Bush and Clinton political dynasties. Although one could say the same about the Roosevelts and Kennedys.

Another thing I want to get out of the way is the myth that Barack will bring socialism. It's already here with it's start in the 16th Amendment and the graduated income taxes of 1909 and 1913. This graduated income tax was actually declared unconstitutional in 1902. Then, it really took off with the New Deal as Garet Garret wrote in his 1938 essay, The Revolution Was:

"There are those who still think they are holding the pass against a revolution that may be coming up the road, but they are gazing in the wrong direction. The revolution is behind them. It went by in the Night of Depression, singing songs to freedom. But the historian writing at some distance in time, will be much less impressed by the fact that it was peacefully accomplished than by the marvelous technique of bringing it to pass not only within the form but within the word, so that people were all the while fixed in the delusion that they were talking about the same things because they were using the same words. Opposite and violently hostile ideas were represented by the same word signs. This was the American people's first experience with dialectic according to Marx and Lenin."

Socialism further expanded afterwards through tactics proposed by Marxist writer Antonio Gramsci, the sociology and environmental movements started by Auguste Comte, Dewey the Humanist's public schools, and the theories of the Frankfurt School stationed at Columbia University.

Lastly, about gun control and other nanny state measures, we must remember Benjamin Franklin's words that those who prefer security over freedom deserve neither. We already see that in Britain where gun control caused an increase in the number of stabbings and that has caused talks of knife control. It also shows up on these shores with the airports and borders.

However, the US goverment does fit Alexis de Tocqueville's vision of a nightmare government as seen in his work Democracy in America:

"That power is absolute, thoughtful of detail, orderly, provident, and gentle. It would resemble parental authority if, fatherlike, it tried to prepare it's changes for a man's life, but on the contrary, it only tries to keep them in perpetual childhood. It likes to see the citizens enjoy themselves, provided they think of nothing but enjoyment. It gladly works for their happiness but wants to be the sole agent and judge of it. It provides for their security, forsees and supplies their necessities, facilitates their pleasues, manages their principal concerns, directs their industry, makes rules for their testaments, and divides their inheritances. Why should it not entirely relieve them from the trouble of thinking and all the cares of living?"

Indeed, we already have seatbelt and helmet laws, inheritance taxes, welfare, transfats and smoking bans, FCC, ESRB and MPAA crap and a ton of other stuff. So what's ahead? Time will tell.

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Jingangchan, saying ALL black folks voted for Obama simply because he is black is idiotic. Do you think that ALL white folk who didn't vote Obama did not because he is black? That works both ways, and here in America just being black has never been a selling point or good enough. While the voting issue determined by race did play a part i this election, it was definatley not the determining factor. I read there were almost 15 million more voters in this election than last, don't know how true this is, but there are only 30 million blacks in America; are you suggesting that all those new voters where black as well. Don't anyone answer that question, it is rhetorical. People wanted change, simply put. And, there would not have been change keeping with this same establishment/system.

You also touched on his experience, have you ever checked Bush's? He had virtually no expirience. Where was the expirience outcry for him? Mccain didn't have a lot of expirience, either. More than Obama, but less than any other president over at least the past 30 years. Now, while Bush does SOMETIMES get unfairly accused for some of Clintons flubs, lets not make Bush out to be innocent. Such as a certain person accidently leaking information to a certain newspaper, but at least he didn't deny it.

As far as intelligence is concern, what does that intell? Bush jr. is a smart man, a little self absorbed at times, but I like him. Palin on the other had gets called an idiot because when confroted with one question she'll answer the question that she has asked herself in her head. Palin was not a good choice for Mccain, Tim Pawlenty or Gen. Colin Powell would have been far better choices. Palin was a terrible choice for a running mate, especially when you look at the picks Mccain had to choose from.

"connecting and inspiring" people has little to do with being the best candidate

That has more to do with it than probably anything else, this country is divided. Race issues, economic issues, social. With JFK people felt inspired and connected. A president needs to be able to do these two things, among others. People want a president who cares. You need a President who can unite, because most of the free world looks to America.

As far as guns go, I don't have a problem with them, just the idiots who mis-use them. It's because of these idiots that there does need to be some law in place. I have a friend who hunts, sometimes for sport, sometimes for food. I don't have a problem with that. I know an elderly gentleman who has a gun in his house because he doesn't feel safe without it. That I have a problem with. I know enough to know that the people who own guns wouldn't need them for safety if people weren't using guns to commit murder. It's like the saying if it weren't fore lawyers, you wouldn't need lawyers.

Oh, and only in America do the schools systems not recieve tax money equally across the board.

Only in America are we tell our children we live in a democracy, and send them to schools that have them pledge allegience to a Republic.

Only in America is race and sex still a deciding factor as to who gets what advantages.

America is the greatest country for me. But, she is far from perfect, and someone needs to change the way things are run. Histoically, any man who gets on a public stage and calls for change here is always going to be slammed for not knowing what he is talking about.

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Lastly, about gun control and other nanny state measures, we must remember Benjamin Franklin's words that those who prefer security over freedom deserve neither.

That doesn't make any sense... Freedom of what? ?hoot someone if the face. It's circular logic... If people where resonsible with guns, there wouldn't be crimes. But if there weren't crime, why would you need a gun to protect yourself?

Of course, crime is the root of the problems, and if there were no inequities in the social classes, there probably would not be any crimes, or at least a lot less.

But you're right, there shouldn't be any "nanny" laws, people should be responsible enough to live free in anarchy... But that is not the case. Humanity is not mature (or is held back for being mature) enough right now... Anyway, guns should not exist in the first place as they serve no purpose except encouraging violence, death, crime and opression...

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And one more thing, when a man tells another man that God doesent exist he needs to remember that his reasoning for God not existing is based on unproven theory and personal expirience, the same as the man who believes in God doesn't have anything other than faith and personal expirience.

For the record, I do believe in God.

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That doesn't make any sense... Freedom of what? ?hoot someone if the face. It's circular logic... If people where resonsible with guns, there wouldn't be crimes. But if there weren't crime, why would you need a gun to protect yourself?

Of course, crime is the root of the problems, and if there were no inequities in the social classes, there probably would not be any crimes, or at least a lot less.

But you're right, there shouldn't be any "nanny" laws, people should be responsible enough to live free in anarchy... But that is not the case. Humanity is not mature (or is held back for being mature) enough right now... Anyway, guns should not exist in the first place as they serve no purpose except encouraging violence, death, crime and opression...

Well said.

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I'm sure if HK cinema ever gets banned because of its violence, there will be some bloke also saying, "It would be a tragedy if you had to live without HK Cinema." ;>)

Yes - because that's obviously the same thing.

A movie or a lethal weapon. Ideological twins, surely?

Only in America is there a US Constitution

I should've said only a Republican would consider healthcare and gun control socialist. Not fair of me to tarnish all Americans. Even though 56% of white males voted McCain. Oops!

Only in America did US troops sign up to go and fight facist agression in places like Europe (thus saving the British Isles :>)

And those brave soldiers have my utmost respect.

Only in Britain, was there a shortage of small arms at the beginning of WWII.

An unfortunate side-effect of our lack of desire to shoot each other.

Only in America do Canadians stream south to get access to American healthcare.

...and the Americans go to Cuba. lol

Hmmm..."dim witted moose hunting psycho." Sounds like what the biased liberal democratic (i.e. socialist) American "mainstream" press says about every conservative candidate that comes along.

Probably because The Republicans have a knack of picking peaches. Obama's the first good presidential candidate you've had since Clinton. But then we've gone from Tony Blair to Gordon Brown so feel free to take the piss out of us.

Well, I'm glad that I'm one of the people who can see through it...I try to think for myself.

Don't we all... Did I mention I can see Denmark from my house? :P

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