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What was the last modern martial-arts film you watched?

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Special ID. I paid €3 for bluray. Not worth it or time wasted. There was some OK action in the end but too late to save anything.

 

I did not believe it could be THAT bad posts in old forum suggested but it unfortunately was...

 

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I think it's actually somewhere in-between being as bad as everyone says it is and a decent 80's Hong Kong movie. It's nothing special, but I had enough fun that I wasn't mad at myself for watching it. It had the same "everything AND the kitchen sink" mentality that got me hooked as a kid in the first place. But it is disappointing if you're looking to compare it to Donnie's other modern Fu flicks.

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I think it'd have been even better had Philip Kwok actually made his way into the movie. That's near the top of my list of throwdowns that have only happened in my dreams.

Won Jin, from 'The Scoprion King / Operation Scorpio', was also approached to have a role in 'Police Story 3' which would have featured a fight with Chan.  However at the time the offer came through he'd already committed to 'Women on the Run', so had to turn it down.

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I'll follow that up with a question - Police Story 2 or 3? Police Story 3's even more stunt-based, but I like it more, oddly enough. I think it'd have been even better had Philip Kwok actually made his way into the movie. That's near the top of my list of throwdowns that have only happened in my dreams.

I think Police Story 3 is a better film overall. Part 2 has better fights, but 3 has a more focused story, better pacing and Michelle Yeoh.

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Born to Defense (1988: Jet Li: Hong Kong/Mainland):

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An interesting little tidbit Mark had told me.  This is quoted in Bey Logan's Hong Kong Action Cinema: "[on Born to Defense] which was set during World War Two. The production was chaotic from the start and was suspended when Lee broke his nose during a fight scene. When shooting resumed, it was under the experienced hand of Hong Kong director, Tsui Siu Ming. The burly Tsui had, at that time, shot more footage in China than any other action director from the territory. ... Generously, he allowed Jet full directorial credit, despite Tsui's visual style being very evident towards the film's end: "I told (Jet): 'You've started it, so you must be seen to finish it'. I'm just helping you out."""
 

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An interesting little tidbit Mark had told me.  This is quoted in Bey Logan's Hong Kong Action Cinema: "[on Born to Defense] which was set during World War Two. The production was chaotic from the start and was suspended when Lee broke his nose during a fight scene. When shooting resumed, it was under the experienced hand of Hong Kong director, Tsui Siu Ming. The burly Tsui had, at that time, shot more footage in China than any other action director from the territory. ... Generously, he allowed Jet full directorial credit, despite Tsui's visual style being very evident towards the film's end: "I told (Jet): 'You've started it, so you must be seen to finish it'. I'm just helping you out."""
 

That's interesting MOTOIP, explains why the film is a bit messy in terms of direction.

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I think it's actually somewhere in-between being as bad as everyone says it is and a decent 80's Hong Kong movie. It's nothing special, but I had enough fun that I wasn't mad at myself for watching it. It had the same "everything AND the kitchen sink" mentality that got me hooked as a kid in the first place. But it is disappointing if you're looking to compare it to Donnie's other modern Fu flicks.

[on Special ID]: the movie in some ways has grown on me.  Once you get past the initial disappointment of the plot, I think the fights and some of the stunts are quite good.  With Yen's continuous improvement on choreography and his mixture of MMA within, the action thrills me.  Like a musical with a bad plot and good dancing or say Bloodsport it is best to just forward to the appropriate action scenes.
 

That's interesting MOTOIP, explains why the film is a bit messy in terms of direction.

I think the combination of Li being a novice director, the constraints from being on the Mainland, the broken nose, and probably so many more issues I just do not think it had a good chance.  The fight in the bar is quite good though (I believe Jet did this one) and I think Jet Li could have improved as a director, but with the bad taste of this experience I think it completely turned him off of directing (understandable.)  I would love to hear Jet Li's in depth thoughts on this one (most likely he would be polite about it, though it would be interesting to hear if he had issues with actors.)

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[on Special ID]: the movie in some ways has grown on me.  Once you get past the initial disappointment of the plot, I think the fights and some of the stunts are quite good.  With Yen's continuous improvement on choreography and his mixture of MMA within, the action thrills me.  Like a musical with a bad plot and good dancing or say Bloodsport it is best to just forward to the appropriate action scenes.
 

I think the combination of Li being a novice director, the constraints from being on the Mainland, the broken nose, and probably so many more issues I just do not think it had a good chance.  The fight in the bar is quite good though (I believe Jet did this one) and I think Jet Li could have improved as a director, but with the bad taste of this experience I think it completely turned him off of directing (understandable.)  I would love to hear Jet Li's in depth thoughts on this one (most likely he would be polite about it, though it would be interesting to hear if he had issues with actors.)

Yeah it seems it just wasn't meant to be after you look at all the problems you mentioned. There's so much than can go wrong when you are making a film.

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The Agent - I saw this on the streaming app TubiTV, which is like Crackle. Yes, this is the re-titled Contour and hands down, loved this movie. I heard this was cut by 20 minutes from the original, but Eric Jacobus and the Stunt People truly delivered. Ed Kahana Jr. cracked me up as the Prince of Uruvia. Dennis Ruel was the perfect bad guy with his amazing kicking ability. The all out rumble to end the film, one of the best action climaxes I truly loved and would watch over and over again! This gets a huge thumbs up from me!

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Dragons Forever - Yeah, still a classic. The finale is in my top 5 favorite fight scenes period. The version I watched is different from the VHS version that Tai Seng released (the clamshell box one that cost 40 bucks, not the later one that cost 19.95): The subplot involving Stanley Fung's psychiatrist character was cut and the final courtroom scene goes on a minute or two longer, plus we see Jackie Chan face-kick a guy before entering the drug-refining part of Yuen Wah's factory, which wasn't in the VHS version I owned. Can anybody explain the different versions to me?

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An interesting little tidbit Mark had told me.  This is quoted in Bey Logan's Hong Kong Action Cinema: "[on Born to Defense] which was set during World War Two. The production was chaotic from the start and was suspended when Lee broke his nose during a fight scene. When shooting resumed, it was under the experienced hand of Hong Kong director, Tsui Siu Ming. The burly Tsui had, at that time, shot more footage in China than any other action director from the territory. ... Generously, he allowed Jet full directorial credit, despite Tsui's visual style being very evident towards the film's end: "I told (Jet): 'You've started it, so you must be seen to finish it'. I'm just helping you out."""
 

Just picked this up as part of a 5 pack. From Dragon Dynasty, I thought they went defunct? Haven't got around to watching it yet.

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Dragons Forever - Yeah, still a classic. The finale is in my top 5 favorite fight scenes period. The version I watched is different from the VHS version that Tai Seng released (the clamshell box one that cost 40 bucks, not the later one that cost 19.95): The subplot involving Stanley Fung's psychiatrist character was cut and the final courtroom scene goes on a minute or two longer, plus we see Jackie Chan face-kick a guy before entering the drug-refining part of Yuen Wah's factory, which wasn't in the VHS version I owned. Can anybody explain the different versions to me?

I wish I could help Doc but I'm only familiar with the version you just watched. The international version suffered some alterations too, but I'm not sure what they trimmed out?. This one knocked me out back when I rented it in the 90's. The final confrontation between Chan and Benny The Jet Urquidez is one of my all time favorite film fights.

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Just picked this up as part of a 5 pack. From Dragon Dynasty, I thought they went defunct? Haven't got around to watching it yet.

I don't think they exist anymore.  I think the label was just being used for those "hey we have these films lying around, let's release them."  For the price it is a good set, but be warned that they are shorter versions on three of them.

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Well I tried to watch Born to Defence but couldn't bear more than 30 minutes of it.

 

I'm guessing Legend 2 and Defender are the other short versions? Looks like the Miramax releases from the cover.

 

Basically got it for Once Upon a Time in China and America because I don't have that on DVD,  just the old Tai Seng VHS.

 

Have no idea why they put that Stephen Chow movie on there. Guessing it's some goofy spy spoof.

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Have no idea why they put that Stephen Chow movie on there. Guessing it's some goofy spy spoof.

 

From Beijing with Love is Stephen Chow's spoof of the James Bond films. His character is even called "Ling Ling Chat", which in Cantonese means "007".

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Well I tried to watch Born to Defence but couldn't bear more than 30 minutes of it.

I'm guessing Legend 2 and Defender are the other short versions? Looks like the Miramax releases from the cover.

Basically got it for Once Upon a Time in China and America because I don't have that on DVD,  just the old Tai Seng VHS.

Have no idea why they put that Stephen Chow movie on there. Guessing it's some goofy spy spoof.

Born to Defence is not a particularly good film.  I wrote on it a little further up in this thread.  Yup those are the other two short versions.  They do have Cantonese tracks though (so does Born to Defence though I believe the Mandarin version is more proper, you can really see mouth issues with the Cantonese version.)

I like the Stephen Chow film.  Old crusty capsule review of mine on the film from several years ago [hmmm still no Criterion Chow film: the bastards]:

 

From Beijing With Love (1994: Hong Kong: ***/****): Stephen Chow's first co-directed film (IMDB has him co-directing on Love on Delivery the same year while HKMDB does not; I will have to check my R0 copy) is a zany, mo lei tau (nonsense) box office smash hit in Hong Kong. It made 37 million HK Dollars; compare that to another 1994 film Chungking Express which made 7.6 million HK Dollars.

 

While the film is a parody of Bond films and a small satire of Mainland Police, it works best when Chow does his shtick.  Scenes where he drops off liver as payment, a solar flashlight invention and a gun that shots reverse one time and straight the next are just some of the small gags.  I really do not want to spoil any of them for people who have not seen this film (has anyone seen this film here), but you will learn the importance of watching a porn film while have a bullet taken out of your thigh.

 

The plot is basic spy thriller: an invincible bad guy with invincible armour has stolen the head of a dinosaur, thereby embarrassing the Mainland police.  A Chief Inspector decides that for this job China needs to hire a bumbling ex-spy (whom one officer states he is as important as a piece of toilet paper) who is currently a pork butcher and who appears incompetent but actually has some secret talents.  Normal spy material there.

 

As with many Hong Kong comedies with action there is always an uneasy amount of brutish violence.  People who dislike Chow will obviously not like this silly, silly comedy.  Those who are only familiar with his later work might find this a bit pedantic, but several gags will be familiar though (as well as fans of the spy spoof in general).

 

 The Universe R0 DVD is OOP, but I see yesasia has an existing Taiwanese version.  That and a really expensive Japanese edition are still available.  Will Criterion every get a Chow film? :D  Should they?  Why did you spit on me?

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in the line of duty 4. While I prefer part 3 over this, #4 is still entertaining flick. Donnie Yen has great fight with John Salvitti and ambulance scene was quite exciting. Good ending too.

 

 

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Basically got it for Once Upon a Time in China and America because I don't have that on DVD,  just the old Tai Seng VHS.

I keep fighting the temptation to do the same thing, but I'll probably cave in to it.

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I watched Black Dynamite today, it was a blast!

Glad to hear you enjoyed Black Dynamite paimeifist. I loved the fight in the pool hall where Michael Jai White uses the nunchaku against the hoodlums.

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I had a bad movie viewing session yesterday Afternoon. Decided to watch 2 movies that was just sitting at the top of a pile.

 

Zero Tolerance & Once Upon A Time In Vietnam.

 

 "Zero Tolerance"  is a re-editing of a movie called Angels. They went back and re-shoot some scenes and re-release Angels as "Zero Tolerance". I think I saw Angels a few years back which was a drama.

 

Sadly to say this cut/re-editing of Angels is nothing but a mess.

 

That movie have the star power: Dustin Nguyen, Scott Adkins, Sahajak Boonthanakit, Gary Daniels, Kane Kosugi., Ron Smoorenburg (was in the end fight in Jackie's 'Who Am I?' and in the upcoming Luc Besson's Warrior's Gate with Dave Bautista).

 

Kane is in there for a few seconds. Gary did nothing but talk. Dustin show no emotion even when he was told that his daughter is dead, he just went on his way shooting everyone dead.

 

I would not call Zero Tolerance a Martial Arts movie but a drama with some (unnecessary) violent action.

 

Move on to the next.

Then I pooped it OUATIV. I never got to finish it as I feel asleep midway through the movie - it was mid afternoon. I asked my wife (who was watching with me) how was it, she said that she turned it off after I fell asleep.

 

Decided to channel surf and "The Rebel Intruders" was playing on El Rey. Although I have seen it many time, I decided to watch it again thus my afternoon movie viewing segment was not a complete wasted.

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I had a bad movie viewing session yesterday Afternoon. Decided to watch 2 movies that was just sitting at the top of a pile.

 

Zero Tolerance & Once Upon A Time In Vietnam.

 

 "Zero Tolerance"  is a re-editing of a movie called Angels. They went back and re-shoot some scenes and re-release Angels as "Zero Tolerance". I think I saw Angels a few years back which was a drama.

 

Sadly to say this cut/re-editing of Angels is nothing but a mess.

 

That movie have the star power: Dustin Nguyen, Scott Adkins, Sahajak Boonthanakit, Gary Daniels, Kane Kosugi., Ron Smoorenburg (was in the end fight in Jackie's 'Who Am I?' and in the upcoming Luc Besson's Warrior's Gate with Dave Bautista).

 

Kane is in there for a few seconds. Gary did nothing but talk. Dustin show no emotion even when he was told that his daughter is dead, he just went on his way shooting everyone dead.

 

I would not call Zero Tolerance a Martial Arts movie but a drama with some (unnecessary) violent action.

 

Move on to the next.

Then I pooped it OUATIV. I never got to finish it as I feel asleep midway through the movie - it was mid afternoon. I asked my wife (who was watching with me) how was it, she said that she turned it off after I fell asleep.

 

Decided to channel surf and "The Rebel Intruders" was playing on El Rey. Although I have seen it many time, I decided to watch it again thus my afternoon movie viewing segment was not a complete wasted.

My mom and I watched Zero Tolerance and I totally agree. It wasn't a good movie at all. I felt disappointed that both Kane and Gary were wasted in the film. I believe Gary is the villain in the original Angels cut. There is an interview with Wych Kaos as to why he decided to re-cut and shoot the footage as Zero Tolerance, but it was just a major disappointment.

 

As for Once Upon a Time in Vietnam, the bottom line is if you like films like The Warrior's Way (with Jang Dong-Gun), you might end up liking this one. It was similar in vein, but offered an interesting twist to the story. 

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BURNING PARADISE (1994) - This was Ringo "The Guy Who Directed the Movie that Inspired Reservoir Dogs" Lam's contribution to early 90s kung fu period piece boom. This movie takes Chinese folk heroes Fong Sai Yuk and Hung Hey Kwun and places them in a gritty thriller that frequently borders on horror (There's a neat visual of the passage of time depicted by showing the dead bodies outside the temple in progressive states of decomposition), with Fong being held prisoner in the Red Lotus Temple, a subterranean  fortress cum concentration camp run by a megalomaniacal ex-general who thinks he's the incarnation of the King of Hell. The change of pace is nice, and Ringo makes the film look good, but I actually found the fights a little lackluster, especially the finale, which was tooo wuxia for a movie featuring the founding fathers of hung gar. Jet Li wannabe Willie Chi barely registers on the charisma scale as Fong Sai Yuk, a role Jet did wonders with. Good, but not great.

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Watched Brothers last night. It's the Bollywood remake of the mixed martial arts drama Warrior with Akshay Kumar in the Joel Edgerton role, Sidharth Malhotra in the Tom Hardy role, and Jackie Shroff in the Nick Nolte role. They added a little but pivotal twist as a deviation from the original film but the core theme of the film is still there. I actually think this is a worthy remake and the cast of fighters was actually impressive too. Daniel Bernhardt may have been a bit wasted..he had a few hits in before getting his, but Chinese-Australian martial artist Chan Griffin is exciting to watch as was former WWE star Shad Gaspard, and this was definitely up there as one of Ron Smoorenburg's best on screen fights. Conan Stevens plays more of a wrestler type who throws opponents like rag dolls, including Eric Brown, who along with Justin Yu, were the film's action choreographers.

 

Overall, I enjoyed it...almost as much as I did the original film.

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